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4 replies, 3 voices Last updated by Dan Giffin 2 years, 1 month ago
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    • #4580

      CROG
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      @CROG

      Hey,

      Hopefully this is the right sub-forum! I have been going back through and re-mixing/EQing some of my old tracks with some new things I’ve learned here over the past week. Something that I noticed frequently is that I really don’t have any standard order or rules I follow in selecting my order of effects in my chains. I’ll notice sometimes I’m compressing first, EQing later, reverb somewhere in between, and then it will be totally different on a different instrument. I was wondering if there is a general protocol surrounding this or at least how you all go about ordering effects. Thanks!

      Chris

    • #4584

      Dan Giffin
      Keymaster
      @dan

      yo! Super glad you posted this topic. Mixing is hard to master because every song and instrument is so subjective. I’ve learned it helps to think about what you’re doing and separate it into 2 categories….

      #1 – Are you doing it for creative sound design or #2 – Are you doing it to make it “play nice” in the overall mix to fit with other instruments?

      When I learned mixing and mastering from Danny Wyatt he encouraged me as a beginner to get more familiar with the following signal flow for inserts on individual instrument tracks…keep in mind, this isn’t a perfect solution for every scenario. Sometimes you may have one, and not the other, but I’ve found this as a good basic reference to follow for mixing tracks:

      Saturation –> EQ –> Compression –> More EQ ??? –> Effects (Delays/ Reverb/ Etc.)

    • #4664

      CROG
      Participant
      @CROG

      Thank you! This is very useful I will refer to this when making tweaks on some of my old stuff // building out new projects.

    • #7172

      Jerry Bliss
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      @Pepsiman

      Hi Dan, along the lines of mixing and mastering. I recently acquired Neutron 2 and Ozone 8. In trying to learn how to use them, I’m not sure where and when to use them. Example: Do you place both Neutron 2 and Ozone 8 per track or in the sends, or put the in the master for all the tracks?

      • #7174

        Dan Giffin
        Keymaster
        @dan

        Hey Jerry, I’m a huge fan of anything iZotope, especially Ozone. iZotope has a fair amount of video tutorials on their site and YouTube you might check out?

        Neutron and Ozone both come with “modules” that I often use on individual tracks. Ozone and Neutron also have one single plugin with all the modules inside it. This is designed to help DSP (computer workload), as well as workflow…not having to drag/drop new plugins over and over on a single track.

        For example, I love using Ozone’s Dynamic EQ on guitar tracks. I also love using it inside the single Ozone 8 plugin, with other the modules in it for mastering. It really depends what you’re trying to do, and which plugin/ module the track needs.

        Having a solid foundation in mixing will definitely help with navigating iZotope’s stuff. They’re super powerful plugins. I’ve been asked to create a mixing foundations course teaching “from the ground up mixing”, and teaches both Ableton devices and iZotope plugins. How much would this course be worth to you, if it included 2 one-hour private lessons? Let me know (:

        Also, anytime I start using a new plugin, I troll through the presets to get an idea of how it’s built and can be tweaked. Try it! For example, I’ll place a “Female Vocal” preset on a track with vocals and study the position of the knobs and tweak them and listen for changes.

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